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Kahler Tremolo - Bends & Tuning Problem

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Following up Kahler's bending problem that I show on part 2 of my Kahler vs. Floyd Rose video, I explain the issue in detail and show a few workarounds. Along with fellow YouTube user Jacques from Netherlands, we test the bending problem on three different guitars with three different Kahler models: . Charvel Model 4 with Kahler 2300 . Heritage VIP2 guitar with Kahler 2320 . BC Rich Wartribe with Kahler Hybrid Although there are small variations in terms of how they stay in tune with bends, they all go out of tune after high bends, which doesn't happen with the original Floyd Rose system. To compare, I perform the same tests on my ESP M-II guitar, which has the original Floyd Rose made by Schaller. In summary, the bending/tuning problem is definitely not a reason to avoid Kahlers. Simple workarounds can minimize the problem and give you good playing enjoyment. But if you go crazy with bends and dive bombs, the Floyd Rose is definitely a much better option -- despite the fact it doesn't have Kahler's soft feel and amazing set-up possibilities. Finally, once in a while, I see some player trying to deny Kahler's bending problem by: (1) calling a set-up issue (2) playing light bends or, even worse, (3) making the player believe something is wrong with his/her guitar. Don't believe any of that. We've tested THREE different guitars with THREE different Kahler models -- 2300, 2320 and Hybrid -- and they ALL had the bending problem one way or another.

Channel: Music
Uploaded: November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am
Author: dmometalguitar

Length: 10:00
Rating: 5.00
Views: 2953

Tags: 2300  2320  bc  bending  bridge  esp  floyd  guitar  heritage  hybrid  kahler  mii  problem  rich  rose  tremolo  tuning  vip2  wartribe  

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Cigarandawaffle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
well if you have a floyd locking nut theres no problems. i have a reg plastic nut on my sg that the kahler is on and it stays in tune perfectly.
smirre54 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
thanks to this video :) no i know that i do not buy a kahler if i want to make really big bends and other funny with tremolo :) i have been buying now yamaha which have a lisenced fr because i don't have a money to buy a guitar which have a schaller =(. but i try to do something with that lisenced if it go out of tune or something xD
fb87690 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
(from part 2) beyond the string slot would work). Also, if there was some way to coat the cam with graphite (or something more slippery like the Graph Tech material) it would get rid of the friction there. I don't have a lot of time right now, but I think I'm definitely going to try out the roller replacement/clamp idea at some point, anyone out there could try it by just cutting up a Graph Tech nut into the right sizes, on a current Kahler saddle.
fb87690 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
(from part 1) Have become true believer of Graph Tech nut + locking tuners w/ locking tremolos (as alt. to locking nut), haven't had any problems with extreme bends with them. Short of designing a 'Kahler II', which probably won't happen, I think a regular Kahler could just be modded by replacing the rollers with a flat-bottomed non-moving saddle block made out of Graph Tech material, and finding a way to get the wound part of the string off the cam (some kind of makeshift clamp (see part 3)
fb87690 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
great video(s), I built a project guitar w/ a Kahler, love the smoothness, but hate the bending problem. I think there's probably a real solution out there, looks like friction points are just 1. round string into V-shaped groove of roller (saddle should also have 'real' lockdown mechanism, but would require redesign) 2. the part of the string over cam is the wound part, pretty bad since there's guaranteed inconsistency in string at that point 3. the ball end is also not clamped (see part 2)
t0xicsoul (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
If you use the blocking feature on the Kahler Hybrid brigde, will the strings still go out of tune with wide bends? I've been thinking about getting the ESP JH-600 and using the blocking feature on its Kahler Hybrid bridge...
ampwarmers (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
is there would be a lot of adjustment? coz i will change my lower pro which is suck and unstablilze. if i change it to an original floyd rose patented is there would be another problem regarding bending, divebombs. my lower pro is fake. pls help me.
dmometalguitar (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You can get the original Floyd Rose from GuitarPartsDepot. Good to place to buy.
ampwarmers (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
so what's the best brand of floyd rose tremolo bridges and nut?
metalero19882 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
xD i don't know u, but i'v tested a few strats, n' they stay in tune, even to play high bends, or use the trem. come on! "one" of the best blue' guitars have the worst Fucking bridge! :P. it's sad ok wy u don't check to gary moore's strat^^ that fender can break his neck after going out of tune, well he dont DIME-bomb or made spaghetti with the strings... just use the tremolo. i really enjoy ur vids


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